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2.50 is out

Post by UncleDave » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:56 pm

And it looks like all the media files can ONCE AGAIN play.

:)

No thanks Sony only why so !!!!ing long to go back to where we were?

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by Paul_Kuhn » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:21 pm

Hey guys,

did an update from PS3 firm 2.43 (with known broken uPnP Features) to newly PS3 firm 2.50: same as before :x nothing is working anymore :evil:

using Twonky Server 4.4.9 on Windows XP SP3, everything was fine before installing firmware 2.43...

when browsing the Twonky Server always got messages like this:
Photos -> there are no images
Video -> there are no titles
and so on...

This really sucks! Thx Sony for this awesome change in uPnP...

Regards,
Paule

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by Paul_Kuhn » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:41 pm

Update:

Reseting the client access table in TwonkyVision Configuration did the trick!

After reconnecting the PS3 firm 2.50 to TwonkyVision 4.4.9 everything is still there -> XviD, MP3 and all my Photos :D

So, I was a little to quick with my comment on the new firm 2.50 :oops:

Regards,
Paule

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by mgillespie » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:33 pm

Strange, never had a problem with any of the 2.40/1/2/3 or 2.50, aside from the known changed client string. Are you saying they changed the client string back to what it original was?
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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by hangfire » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:26 am

I've got a major problem with it.

I've installed Twonky Media Server trial on my vista laptop, last week everything was running hunky dory, then I installed the system update to 2.50 and since then everytime I try to browse the folder list in 2.50 it crashes Twonky Media Server. This is not a fault with vista (fully patched up as of today) because I can browse folders and playback everything perfectly well on my Xbox 360. (So it's not the laptop, wifi, or the router Zyxel Presitge 660 HW T1.) Both consoles are wired to the router btw.

Edit: I thought as I'm going to be using this on the 360 a lot I'd be happy to pay for it so I ponied up for a license anyway.

Here's the error log from event viewer.

Log Name: Application
Source: Application Error
Date: 16/10/2008 04:36:05
Event ID: 1000
Task Category: (100)
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: BamBam
Description:
Faulting application TwonkyMediaServer.exe, version 0.0.0.0, time stamp 0x48e4bb96, faulting module TwonkyMediaServer.exe, version 0.0.0.0, time stamp 0x48e4bb96, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x0002c0b7, process id 0x1284, application start time 0x01c92f4011f662ea.
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
<System>
<Provider Name="Application Error" />
<EventID Qualifiers="0">1000</EventID>
<Level>2</Level>
<Task>100</Task>
<Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
<TimeCreated SystemTime="2008-10-16T03:36:05.000Z" />
<EventRecordID>43067</EventRecordID>
<Channel>Application</Channel>
<Computer>BamBam</Computer>
<Security />
</System>
<EventData>
<Data>TwonkyMediaServer.exe</Data>
<Data>0.0.0.0</Data>
<Data>48e4bb96</Data>
<Data>TwonkyMediaServer.exe</Data>
<Data>0.0.0.0</Data>
<Data>48e4bb96</Data>
<Data>c0000005</Data>
<Data>0002c0b7</Data>
<Data>1284</Data>
<Data>01c92f4011f662ea</Data>
</EventData>
</Event>

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by swatts » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:14 pm

Upgraded to 2.50 on my PS3 tonight and its broken streaming media.

Using WiFi to my Twonky Linux server used to be no problems.

Tonight after the upgrade I am getting lots of freezes playing back video. Never had ANY before this.

Playing DivX AVI files via WiFi G that used to work smoothly on the previous PS3 firmware, now stutter frequently when streaming.

Looks like in 2.50 they have changed some buffering parameters on the PS3 and now it can no longer cope over WiFi.

Indeed AVI files now start to play quicker than the old firmware. Definitely less buffering going on inside the PS3. Changing the buffer size on Twonky has zero effect.

-Steve
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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by mgillespie » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:04 pm

What connnection? What format?

Using 5.0b1 server on Gentoo Linux, wired to my PS3, and never had any problems whatsoever.
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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by swatts » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:12 pm

My issue is with AVI DivX which used to work fine. I am using Twonky 4.4.6

Problem is over WiFi because it seems the PS3 now has a reduced buffer for streaming video. Note WiFi is slower than WIRED.

Anyway just wondered if anyone else had any issues over WiFi since the 2.50 upgrade ?

-Steve

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by mgillespie » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:11 pm

Any video over wifi is going to be troublesome. For what it's worth, 2.50 works wired on all the Xvids and Divx files I have thrown at it, I have also tested it on my test files for WMA, MP3, AAC WMV, MPEG1, MPEG2.
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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by swatts » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:54 pm

Yeah but my point is Wireless video streaming usedto work like a dream before 2.50 update. If you buffer enough WiFi speed is not an issue.

A quick TCP dump shows some issues with transmision window size being ful:

62109 68.427930 60 10.0.0.40 10.0.0.60 TCP 57880 > cslistener [ACK] Seq=270 Ack=613560 Win=64240 Len=0
62110 68.427942 1514 10.0.0.60 10.0.0.40 TCP cslistener > 57880 [ACK] Seq=674880 Ack=270 Win=6912 Len=1460
62111 68.427948 1514 10.0.0.60 10.0.0.40 TCP [TCP Window Full] cslistener > 57880 [ACK] Seq=676340 Ack=270 Win=6912 Len=1460
62112 68.434747 60 10.0.0.40 10.0.0.60 TCP 57880 > cslistener [ACK] Seq=270 Ack=616480 Win=64240 Len=0
62113 68.434760 1514 10.0.0.60 10.0.0.40 TCP cslistener > 57880 [ACK] Seq=677800 Ack=270 Win=6912 Len=1460
62114 68.434766 1514 10.0.0.60 10.0.0.40 TCP [TCP Window Full] cslistener > 57880 [ACK] Seq=679260 Ack=270 Win=6912 Len=1460
62115 68.446737 60 10.0.0.40 10.0.0.60 TCP 57880 > cslistener [ACK] Seq=270 Ack=619400 Win=64240 Len=0
62116 68.446769 1514 10.0.0.60 10.0.0.40 TCP cslistener > 57880 [ACK] Seq=680720 Ack=270 Win=6912 Len=1460
62117 68.446777 1514 10.0.0.60 10.0.0.40 TCP [TCP Window Full] cslistener > 57880 [ACK] Seq=682180 Ack=270 Win=6912 Len=1460
62118 68.446948 60 10.0.0.40 10.0.0.60 TCP 57880 > cslistener [ACK] Seq=270 Ack=622320 Win=64240 Len=0
62119 68.446961 1514 10.0.0.60 10.0.0.40 TCP cslistener > 57880 [ACK] Seq=683640 Ack=270 Win=6912 Len=1460
62120 68.446967 1514 10.0.0.60 10.0.0.40 TCP [TCP Window Full] cslistener > 57880 [ACK] Seq=685100 Ack=270 Win=6912 Len=1460
62121 68.447111 60 10.0.0.40 10.0.0.60 TCP 57880 > cslistener [ACK] Seq=270 Ack=625240 Win=64240 Len=0

Definitely looks like some buffering issues at the PS3 end.

Copying a 700Mb file over WiFi takes about 90secs. Therefore expecting the PS3 to be able to buffer the first few secs of a video and then download the rest while the initial part is playing is not too much to expect. (Thats what it used to do.) This is how YouTube videos work over poor internet connections.

I'll run some wired tests tomorrow. I suspect there will be no issues with wired, apart from my landlord objecting to drilling holes in the walls to run ethernet cable between my office and lounge :-)

-Steve

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by UKSmeagal » Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:48 pm

Upgraded to 2.50 on my PS3 tonight and its broken streaming media.

Using WiFi to my Twonky Linux server used to be no problems.

Tonight after the upgrade I am getting lots of freezes playing back video. Never had ANY before this.

Playing DivX AVI files via WiFi G that used to work smoothly on the previous PS3 firmware, now stutter frequently when streaming.

Looks like in 2.50 they have changed some buffering parameters on the PS3 and now it can no longer cope over WiFi.

Indeed AVI files now start to play quicker than the old firmware. Definitely less buffering going on inside the PS3. Changing the buffer size on Twonky has zero effect.

-Steve
Hi steve,

I'm having this exact same problem and a few other people on the PSN forums seem to be experiencing it too. I have come to the same conclusion as you (buffering perimeters).

Please let me know it you have solved the problem as i will you.

E-mail - pinstead@hotmail.com

cheers,

Smeag

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by swatts » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:38 pm

I ran some tests today, and sure enough streaming video from the TwonkyMedia Server NAS works fine using a WIRED connection.

So in conclusion after update 2.50 Sony have reduced the buffers available for streaming media breaking WiFi DLNA functionality.

Not sure why Sony decided to reduce the buffering, but would have been nice if Sony offered a configurable parameter for buffering instead. (btw what exactly does the buffering parameter in the Twonky Server do? It had zero effect on anything I tried.)

Judging by the feedback I seem to be on of the very few people in the world streaming video over WiFi so I guess it hardly matters. :(

-Steve

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by UKSmeagal » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:12 am

Steve,

just a quick note.

I'm with you on the wi-fi front as it is extremely impractical for me to have a wired connection for various reason so i would like someone to tell me how to resolve this issue be it Twonky or Sony so i can carry on living my happy relaxing seamlessly wirelessly streaming life.

Smeag

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by swatts » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:18 pm

I have messed around with TCP network buffers and everything but nothing works. It definitely seems like the issue is with buffering on the PS3 that can only be sorted by changes in the PS3 firmware.

The only solution that works is to hit the pause button and let the PS3 catch up!

I posted my question over at the PS3 Offical Forums and got flamed by Fanboys saying it works fine over wired, and DLNA is only meant to support MPEG-2 anyway.

Useless if you ask me. I actually use my PS3 to stream media more than I use it to play games, and given that all the games I play are also available on the Xbox 360 I am almost tempted to flog my PS3 on eBay and buy an Xbox 360.

I'll hunt around around an see if I can find an email address to ask Sony a tech question, but I would not hold out much hope.

-Steve

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by mgillespie » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:32 am

I believe PS3 is only DLNA certified for certain transport streams, MPEG1, MPEG2. I don't think DivX was ever part of DLNA 1.0 certification, as it's a optional codec. Streaming video over wireless is always going to be troublesome, I'm suprised you have gotten away with it upto now to be honest.
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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by swatts » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:47 pm

> I believe PS3 is only DLNA certified for certain transport streams, MPEG1, MPEG2.
> I don't think DivX was ever part of DLNA 1.0 certification, as it's a optional codec.

This is correct. I would not be suprised if Sony stopped supporting DivX completely over DLNA :-(

> Streaming video over wireless is always going to be troublesome, I'm suprised you have
> gotten away with it upto now to be honest.

This bit I do not understand. Lots of people watch video over the Internet which is much
slower than WiFi. And I am not talking about YouTube, I am talking about the likes of
BBC iPlayer that streams TV.

Buffering is used on slower connections. It is totally technically possible to stream easily
over a good WiFi connection. It can be done. It has been done. Until Sony changed the PS3
buffering I had NEVER had any problems playing DivX encoded with a 1500 bitrate over WiFi.

For example a 1Gb file takes roughly 12mins to transfer over a WiFi connection. A 1Gb DivX file at typical
bitrates is about a 90 min video. With the use of proper buffering this is completely possible over WiFi.
Why would it not be? A pause a the start to download enough to start playing and then download the rest
as the initial part is playing. This is what buffering is all about.

Or am I missing something here?

-Steve

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by mgillespie » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:10 pm

You are missing tyhe fact that the fluctuations in wireless signals are all over the place. You have got away with it because of the very large buffer than the PS3 provided. Having a huge buffer is far from ideal (as it uses memory). You mention iPlayer, the bitrate on iPlayer is about 1/10th of what a typical DivX or MPEG2 video file is typically encoded in, also your PC has pretty much unlimited memory resources for buffering the data.

I would recommend wired ethernet, or look into some HomePlugs, as althouh the look on paper to be similar speed to Wifi, they are much more consistent with their data rates.
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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by swatts » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:29 pm

> You are missing tyhe fact that the fluctuations in wireless signals are all over the place.

I understand this. But unless you have a pretty poor WiFi with lots of interference you can get pretty good sustained transfer speeds.

> You have got away with it because of the very large buffer than the PS3 provided. Having a huge buffer is far from ideal (as it uses memory).

But what is the issue with this? If am playing a movie on the PS3 what else would I need the memory for? Plus there is the hard drive to cache to if memory is not enough. I am still struggling with the fact it was possible before 2.50 and it is not possible now. And now lots of people telling me it was far from ideal and I was lucky it worked. Yet the simple fact it was technically possible and worked like a dream. No luck just decent buffer sizes.

I am going t test this out on an Xbox 360. I had a core one of these before I flogged it on eBay and this could handle streamed WiFi as well.

>or look into some HomePlugs, as althouh the look on paper to be similar speed to Wifi, they are much more consistent with their data rates.

Same problem with speed. My WiFi connection is very stable, have tested the throughputs over a prolonged periods.

> I would recommend wired ethernet,

Of course. But its not always possible. I live in a rented house and cannot drill holes in walls. At the moment I am running a cable out of the window and down the house and in through the window :(

-Steve

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by swatts » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:43 pm

Some guy posted over at the PS3 forums that apparently its not the PS3 that is broken but all the Media servers. He is certain of this.

He reckons an upgrade from 4.4.6 to 4.4.9 fixes any issues in WiFi streaming.

Is anyone running 4.4.9?

I tried to install 4.4.9 on my Ubuntu 8.04 and got the following errors:

root@vader:/data/temp# ./twonkymedia-i386-glibc-2.2.5-20081002.sh
./
./RevisionHistory
./Linux-HowTo.txt
./radio.m3u
./twonkymedia.sh
./licence-en.rtf
./cgi-bin/
./cgi-bin/cgi-jpegscale
tar: Skipping to next header

gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error

gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
`/usr/local/TwonkyVision/twonkymedia.sh' -> `/etc/init.d/twonkyserver'
./twonkymedia-i386-glibc-2.2.5-20081002.sh: line 161: chkconfig: command not found
Starting server ...
./twonkymedia-i386-glibc-2.2.5-20081002.sh: line 167: /usr/local/TwonkyVision/twonkymedia.sh: Permission denied
Installation finished

Before I spend time on fixing these, would be great if someone could confirm 4.4.9 and PS3 2.50 streaming over WiFi does indeed work.

Thanks,

-Steve

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by mgillespie » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:54 pm

swatts wrote:
gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error
Looks like the setup package is not working (did not work for me either). The manual installation one works fine thou. Use that one instead and extract the files over you previous installation (after stopping an servers).
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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by swatts » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:57 pm

> Looks like the setup package is not working (did not work for me either). The manual installation one works fine thou. Use that one instead and
> extract the files over you previous installation (after stopping an servers)

I just renamed the old folder and installed a fresh version. My config is not very complex.

And guess what streaming DivX works fine on 4.4.9 and 2.50. So far placed a 60min video without any pauses. So far so good.

Looks like I have some apologising to do over at the PS3 Forum :-) But hey there was tons of bad advice first, and it yielded a result in the end.

I actually tried to upgrade Twonky when I fist got problems, but backed off because of the .sh install issues. I then tried to look at the 4.4.9 release notes to see if there were any buffer related changes but I cannot find the release notes on http://www.twonkyvision.de/Products/Two ... story.html. Anyone got a link?

Anyway cool it works, and I can reel the cable in and shut the windows now.

So you can play DivX over WiFi after all :-)

-Steve

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by tankerkevo » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:45 pm

Steve,

Good to see you have WiFi working with your Divx files. As a note, I thought I shed some light into the PS3 wireless WiFi hardware: it sucks.

What I have done to remedy that crappy hardware client is setup a Linksys router by flashing it with DD-WRT (http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/index.php). I plug a hardline from the PS3 to the DD-WRT flashed router and I have the router connect wirelessly to my main router that serves my LAN up...as well as WAN. My speed checks on speedtest.net jumped 3 fold after doing this. Although you've gotten Divx playing, you may want to give this a shot as you'll download movies and such much faster from PSN.

Here's a link to a DD-WRT flashable Linksys router. http://bensbargains.bizrate.com/bridges ... lf--1.html

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Re: 2.50 is out

Post by thomas_fogh » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:55 pm

I'm actually using a wired setup and Twonky 4.4.9., and I'm also getting some stuttering sometimes.
I don't know if it started, when I updated the PS3, or when I updated Twonky to version 4.4.6. (updated to 4.4.9 hoping it would help...)
I'm streaming Divx HD (720p) movies, and I din't use to have a problem doing this...

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