Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

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Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by Rankinnz » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:26 am

Hi

I've been ripping all my CDs onto a QNAP 409 pro that my brother gifted to me, using dbpoweramp. I upgraded the version of twonkymedia to v6 and then a few days ago to version 7.0.9. I have tried all the media navigation trees (the preference being to use the advanced for 10,000 tracks), but I cannot seem to get the trees to sort by artist. All other sorts via album, genres etc are fine. The artist sort always returns as an album sort. I look at the meta data through media monkey and the artist and album artist fields appear to be populated correctly ( by and large).

Has anyone got any ideas? Thanks.

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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by Twonky_Rick » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:37 pm

There are two artist fields, artist and album artist. Check them both. If you want me to review one of your files, let me know.

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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by Rankinnz » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:16 am

I've checked the artist and album / artIst field and they are largely correct? All other sorts are fine, but sorting by artist is very useful at times! I was presuming there is some configuration setting that I haven't tweaked?

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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by phibertron » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:02 pm

I took a look at the view-definitions.xml

This is the section in it that is used to build that container

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<container name='artistindex' id='music/artistindex' class='object.container' createClass='object.item.audioItem.musicTrack'>
	<container buildon='upnp:artist[3]' class='object.container' createClass='object.item.audioItem.musicTrack'>
		<container buildon='upnp:artist' albumart='1' class='object.container.person.musicArtist' createClass='object.item.audioItem.musicTrack'>
			<container name='allname' createClass='object.item.audioItem.musicTrack' class='object.container' />
			<container buildon='upnp:album' albumart='1' sortcriteria='+pv:numberOfThisDisc,+upnp:originalTrackNumber' createClass='object.item.audioItem.musicTrack' class='object.container.album.musicAlbum' />
		</container>
	</container>
</container>
It indeed does build an album container underneath each artist
but it also creates an all container, of all songs for that artist
this is a good thing for large collections, in regards to finding things
otherwise you have just have this massive list

It is possible to tweak the thing, within reason/limits

For example, this "might" be what you after
the following is the above default code, changed to be without the all or album container under artist

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<container name='artistindex' id='music/artistindex' class='object.container' createClass='object.item.audioItem.musicTrack'>
	<container buildon='upnp:artist[3]' class='object.container' createClass='object.item.audioItem.musicTrack'>
		<container buildon='upnp:artist' albumart='1' class='object.container.person.musicArtist' createClass='object.item.audioItem.musicTrack' />
	</container>
</container>
Note if you make these changes to the view-definitions.xml
you have to restart the twonky server
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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by Rankinnz » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:50 am

Sorry for the delay, I've been overseas.

My thoughts are that somehow the trees may not be all there as I don't get a list of all artists in alpha order, only albums. Do you know how I can check this via a mac (or windows) on the Nas? When the new package is installed with the latest Twonky version are the trees re-loaded?

Thanks for your help

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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by phibertron » Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:35 pm

If the old version is uninstalled and the folder/files dont exist
and you install a new version, there is nothing I know of that would cause any issues
Rankinnz wrote:The artist sort always returns as an album sort.
When I look at the code for the navtree, as I have shown previuosly
Yes, it does list the album is there, but not in the way you describe
But it also does list all of the songs for an artist

So I am a little confused
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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by Rankinnz » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:46 am

Thanks for your help, unfortunately XML is a bit beyond me. I've tried disabling, removing, re-installing, re-starting the server , but only ever managed to get back to my current position. Twonky does not sort by any of the artist trees; always by artist. Very frustrating, as I can't remember album titles! I did revert back to 6.0.38, no change, so then reverted to 7.0.9. No other issues.

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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by phibertron » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:29 pm

it might help If you maybe show me some screen shots of what is not correct
as I dont think I clearly understand what you are asking it to do or not do
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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by Rankinnz » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:20 pm

Oops, noticed that I sad "artist" rather than album in my last post!
For each of the artist sort ( nav trees) the details retuned are in alphabetical album title order. Therefore the artist sorts are exactly the same as the album sorts. I have no ability to search for music by artist.

Driving me nuts!!

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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by phibertron » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:40 pm

Like I said, Im a little confused at what you are asking

These are the 3 containers for Artist

I know this is the one you want, it works for me, but you saying it doesnt work?
- Artist
This gives me the following example and artist and then the songs of the artist
Artist / Mötley Crüe / Home Sweet Home

- Artist / Index
This gives me the following example
Artist Index / MNO / Mötley Crüe / Mötley Crüe: The Greatest Hits (Deluxe Version) / Home Sweet Home

- Artist / Album
Artist/Album / Mötley Crüe / Mötley Crüe: The Greatest Hits (Deluxe Version) /Home Sweet Home

PS
Its "possible" that a database rescan or rebuild might be needed if you arent seeing it like above for Artist
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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by Rankinnz » Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:22 am

Thanks for taking the time to assist. I'm not too sure how I can be more explicit. Essentially the three sorts you outlined above, all return (for me) an alphabetic sort by album title; there is no sorting by artist. The behaviour is therefore exactly the same as if I was doing an album sort. If I want to search for a piece of music, I need to know the album title! For some reason Twonky is not doing as expected and it is obviously more of an issue for me i.e. it is not a common issue.

I have tried re-scans / re-builds, disabling / enabling, reverting to previous versions etc all with the same result. I have also tried with other upnp software (MinimServer and Asset that point at exactly the same file structure on the QNAP) and the navigation trees and sorts they produce are all fine; unfortunately each of the alternate solutions has it's own issues with my setup, so I would if at all possible like to stay with Twonky.

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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by phibertron » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:25 am

Your Welcome, sorry insisting on clarification
It just me trying flush out what you describe, and what I see, and what I know you should see
based on my previous post

1. its an xml view issue
2. its an xml view definitions issue
3. its a client profile issue
4. its a tagging issue
5. its a tagging version issue
6. or a very serious bug that is based on any one or combination of the above choices

Im also inclined to think that you should contact twonky support if you havent already

Sometimes the best way to tackle issues like this is to have sandbox in which to test from
if you have a pc or laptop that can be used for that purpose
it makes life easier, as one can then use a small subset of media to try and narrow in on the issue
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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by Rankinnz » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:06 am

Thanks, I've submitted the issue to Twonky support; hopefully they'll have a solution!

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Re: Navigation Trees don't sort by artist?

Post by phibertron » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:50 pm

Your Welcome, and good luck, I do hope you get a solution to the issue
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