Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

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Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Twonky_Rick » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:33 pm

Click Here To View The Newest TwonklyMedia 5.0 Server Updates

The newest build of TwonkyMedia server is 5.0.65. You can find it here:
http://twonkyforum.com/unsupported/5.0.65/

- Officially, NAS builds are no longer supported by PacketVideo. Do not attempt to update your NAS unless you really understand what you're doing. This is not always an easy process. Do not contact support if you have problems installing these on your NAS. If you flood support with questions about these, these links will be removed.
- Please Do post any issues you find on these here so the entire community can benefit from your findings.
- Some of the NAS installer scripts provided here have not been updated and may not work. We're hoping our advanced users can help troubleshoot any issues with these.

PLEASE NOTE: The ReadyNAS 5.0.xx versions provided here are for developers and advanced users only. There is a chance they will break your NAS unless SSH access is used to maintain them.

The problems will almost certainly manifest themselves on other NAS's due to the sheer size of the database and due to it copying itself (as an archive) at every rebuild. The ReadyNAS is particularly vulnerable due to it using a disk format comprising 16K block sizes and will totally kill the NAS if you rip more than about 400 albums. It's also very easy for non-technical users to install 5.0 and thus a time bomb of broken ReadyNAS problems is ticking away here.

For info, the Netgear ReadyNAS probably has about 1.3GB free in it's operating system space allocation (and that's without any fancy addons). A TMS 5.0.xx database for my 16,000 music tracks is over 2.9GB. If you fill up the OS area, you cannot even access the NAS to repair it and have to either wipe drives and start over (okay if you have a back up but practically nobody has) or call Netgear and get them to Telnet into it and delete the files. Once it has filled up the OS area, there's no room to install the SSH access addon so you simply cannot fix it yourself unless you are a specialist.

Special thanks to Twonky Forum member/guru Briain for providing the above ReadyNAS info.
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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by Twonky_Rick » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:22 pm

If you have problems with 5.0.55 and want to go back to TwonkyMedia server 5.0.46. You can find it here:.
1. Go to: http://www.twonkymedia.com/installs.html
2. Make sure to click on the "TwonkyMedia Server" tab -- so you don't download TMM instead.
3. Click on the plus sign next to 5.x.x to expand the tree
4. Select the correct download for your OS.

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ReadyNAS version of TMS 5.0.46

Post by Briain » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:25 pm

Hi

I've tried TMS 5.0.46 on a Netgear ReadyNAS and got it working, but there were some initial problems and I'd strongly recommend reading the below before installing it (on a ReadyNAS) such that you avoid being caught out by the same issues. Incidentally, I've had to revert to 4.4.11 as TMS5 will not function with my particular setup (Linn GUI control point) until the music tree configuration update is made available.

First attempt was as an upgrade from TMS 4.4.11. I had all sorts of problems (worked for 20 mins then no access to the setup pages) so tried removing it to see how a fresh installation would go. Although it looked to be removed in Frontview (the NAS configuration web pages) it didn’t remove it. Further, whilst I could access the Twonky page on port 8100, I couldn’t access any other Twonky config pages (and couldn’t now the NAS setup Frontview pages). I eventually removed it by using SSH to delete the twonkymedia.conf file and the twonkyvision directory. After a reboot, I still couldn’t access Frontview and had to do a firmware reinstallation on the NAS to fix it.

Second attempt was a fresh installation and TMS 5.0.46 again I initially had trouble with the web config pages dropping out (I could access them about one in five attempts). Also, on the UPnP control point, the server kept either dropping out (disappearing) or showing server error on the display. I then pointed the server path to the flac files and selected music only (there's nothing else on the NAS anyway) and then changed the rescan time from -1 to 0. This last trick solved the dropouts and the config pages are now reliably accessible and I can now access the media on a UPnP control point, but having now tried it, I’d note the following areas to consider before installing it (all refer to FLAC format files; I have not tried it with any other types as I don't have any). The first two of these will obviously be resolved when the music tree xml file is made available to us:
  • 1. No facility to just browse albums by album names (issue 2 would require to be sorted before this could be enabled anyway)
    The default music tree is too basic to be of use for a large collection; it needs the ABC=1 to limit before the above album browse option could be used; if it was made available, the control point would try to load art for every album in the collection.
    2. The albumartist tag needs to be included in the tree (just having artist shows all the contributing artists from the compilation albums; it makes for a massive list and makes it harder to find single artist albums). The unique selling point of TMS4 is that you can list albums by albumartist AND list all artists to find stuff on compilations.
    3. The 'stop service' and uninstall options from Frontview don’t do anything so it’s not easy to go back to TMS 4.4.11.
    4. I can't tell if the 100/container artwork limit has been increased since I cannot display the albums to browse (as per point 1)
To be honest, it needs to have all the facilities from TMS 4.4.11 replaced before it’s going to be useful for the applications I, and many others require. If TMS 4.4.11 had the composer tags repaired and the artwork bug fixed, it would be perfect and I don’t see why the configuration options have been ‘dumbed-down’ quite so drastically in TMS5. It’s certainly easier for a novice to install and get it running since there are many less things to configure, but this could be addressed by having an advanced configuration option hidden somewhere for us that really need it; trying to handle 14500 FLAC files makes these advanced options absolutely essential.

I sucessfully removed it this time by stopping the process (in Linux SSH), then removing it from Frontview, then deleting it (rm twonkymedia.conf from /etc/ and also rm -R twonkyvision from /usr/share/) without requiring a ReadyNAS firmware rebuild, but without SSH access, it would be possible to stop or remove it. I've instaled again (on my spare NAS) to act as a testbed and will try various ideas then report back.

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ReadyNAS version doesn't see FLAC files and breaks Frontview

Post by Briain » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:35 pm

Hi Folks

Don't get me wrong, I'm a total fan of TMS 4.4.11 and it works fantastically well on my ReadyNAS (there are a couple of art bugs with FLAC files but they can be overcome with a bit of tweaking). Unfortunately, the ReadyNAS version of TMS5 looks to be faulty though and I've detailled all my findings below. Obviously it's now essential to have a second opinion, but I’ve now spent 12 hours trying various (every) ways to get it to work and it simply doesn’t. I'd strongly recommend you wait until TM have investigated this further before trying it as you could end up having some quite big problems with it.

Tried music tree navigation set to 'I-pod like' and I could see the list of albums building up as it scanned. When the scan had finished, it reported no music in ether the web browser or on the UPnP control point interface. I tried restarting the server but that just kicked off another rescan (which is a bit unnecessary and time consuming). So basically, I-Pod like navigation doesn’t work with FLAC files.

Tried it with navigation set to ‘Advanced Default Tree’ and again it starts a rescan. It now shows all the artists or albums but no FLAC tracks on the web browser and on the GUI, shows no tracks and causes it to crash (it causes an outer exception, could not find entry; see pic below). Tried it on Cidero UPnP controller and whilst it sees and works with the NAS that has TMS 4.4.11 on it, it sees the NAS with TMS 5.0.46 (after a while) but selecting it generates an error message stating ‘Server Browser Error – Please check server configuration and basic network connectivity and try again, or select a different server.

I also tried editing the twonkymedia.conf file to see if I could get the tree to work but no joy; it set itself to the basic tree (and still showed all things up to but not including the flac tracks). This was expected but still worth a try.

I also note that though it’s only using 60% processor power, it’s almost impossible to open up ReadyNAS Frontview whilst it’s doing a rescan. This is both odd and a bit of a nuisance since it rescans whenever you restart the TMS5 (or presumably restart the NAS). I cannot think of any reason why this is needed; people who switch their NAS off at night will have reduced performance for a while (in my case, over half an hour) every time they switch their NAS on. I leave mine on all the time but many do not so this maybe needs to be changed.

With the original twonkymedia.conf file back, I’ve just rebooted the NAS (yes, it’s rescanning again) and now cannot access the Twonky page on port 8100 nor the Frontview page. After finishing its rescan, I can now access the Twonky page on port 8100 but cannot access Frontview; it has ‘broken’ the NAS again setup web-server again. Looks like it’s back to a SSH removal and firmware reinstallation (see first post). I was going to try to install 4.4.11 over it but without Frontview, that’s not even possible to try.

I’m really sorry to say this but basically, the NAS version of TMS5 is utterly dreadful and simply doesn’t work (note that I’ve only tried to access FLAC files; maybe MP3’s can be seen). It should probably be removed from the list until it has been tested and fixed to save everyone lots of grief trying it.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by Twonky_Rick » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:56 pm

Hi Bri,

Sorry your NAS upgrade experience didn't go better. I can understand why you are so frustrated after spending so much time on this.

I couldn't find a 5.x link to the ReadyNAS on http://www.twonkymedia.com. Is this where you downloaded it?
http://www.twonkyforum.com/unsupported/5.0.46/

I'll talk to Christian about whether we pull the ReadyNAS link entirely or post a link to your experiences. I'm hesitant to pull the link, because we'll be attacked for doing so. :(

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by Briain » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:11 am

Hi Rick

Hi, No worries, I'm not frustrated at all as I'm happy with 4.4.11 on my working system (well, be nice to get the composer tags fixed). I just thought I'd test it out ASAP due to me having the facilities to check it on a testbed as opposed to a someone trying it on a working system and getting into difficulties. I really tried everything to get it to go but it just doesn't work on a ReadyNAS. As I say, it's far better that I find that out on a testbed than have people try it on their working NAS though! :)

It could be something odd with my NAS (though it's bog standard apart from having the latest SC and SSH access enabled), or a conflict with SqueezeCenter, or something silly like that but to be honest, I'd suggest you maybe pull the Netgear link just for now until you can check it out it at the factory; breaking Frontview will cause people problems and probably upset some people quite a bit. Maybe best to leave my post up for now (to stop anyone getting into difficulties) then remove my posts as soon as the link's been removed and you've had a chance to review it at the factory.

Kindest regards
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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by Twonky_Rick » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:17 am

I don't think there's a reason to delete your post. Uploading TMS on a NAS is not an easy process and often results in problems, that's why we originally pulled all of these links. But everyone complained, so they're back.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by Briain » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:44 am

No worries Rick! I've done a D-Link and several ReadyNAS's; it's actually very easy to do on a ReadyNAS (you simply browse to the file and hit the update button on the 'Frontview' web page). The worry is that with it being so very easy to do, many more people [than with other types of NAS, which are sometimes more complex to update] will attempt it without necessarily having the knowledge to sort out any problems which might occur (I needed SSH access to fix it; the SSH addon is available from the ReadyNAS site but is not a supported feature and you need a wee bit of Linux knowledge to use it).

Great that you've kept the NAS installations available and as you say, people now have the option to test them and provide feedback here. The worst scenario would be to not have them at all, so I'm pleased that the list has been reactivated, but we need to know if they've been fully tested or are beta builds so people can make an educated choice.

Happy to test any revised releases though; that's exactly what my testbed NAS is here for and I really enjoy the challenge; that’s why I spent 12h testing various installation/configuration/hacking/swearing scenarios with it! :)

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by audiokaas » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:22 am

Hmm,

Allthough having the NAS releases available is a nice gesture of good faith by twonky it also demonstrates how utterly useless it is in it's current 5.x incarnation.
I have nothing but praise for the commitment that Rick is showing on this forum. However the "Berlin office" is dead silent and now and then spews out useless version of the twonkyserver.
On the Readynas forum there are installable versions available, also of 5.0.46, that are completely useless, as in no feature works and it kills your readynas. Which goes to show that the software itself is faulty and not some unsupported installer script.
For a year now we've been waiting for a working version and I have no intention of upgrading to betatest something like this. I guess the powers in the software community will eventually gain enough momentum for something usefull to come out on top. That might be Twonky, it might not.

I wish you good luck in regaining customer trust.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by Twonky_Rick » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:46 pm

The software build we are discussing here came from Netgear, not our Berlin office. :(

I escalated this issue to Christian in our Berlin office the minute I learned about it and one of our top engineers started looking into this issue earlier today. As soon as I hear back from them, I will make a post here.

As I've mentioned elsewhere in this forum, we've made big changes in our codebase for TMS 5.0 and it might take a few more months before it is at parity with TMS 4.4.9. Does anyone upgrade to a new Microsoft OS on the first day it's available? Not if you've been around for a while. Smart users wait until the first service pack is released. This is no different. As I've said before, unless you need the new features in 5.0 like server-side playlists, you might want to stick with 4.4.9 for a little while longer.

Although our Berlin office might seem silent to you. It's because they are so busy. They've already done 46 new builds since 5.0 launched, and each build is an improvement from the last one. And we continue to create new builds as soon as new problems are reported. I will post those build up here as soon as I get them.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by Twonky_Rick » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:02 pm

I just received a response from our Berlin office on this issue.

They did a quick test with the ReadyNAS and unfortunately everything is working fine. I never thought I would say that. :wink:

- The installation occured without errors
- The TwonkyMedia server started fine
- They could browse and play media without problems
- They could uninstall the server without problems

I don't doubt any of Bri's claims. He is an advanced user and I'm sure his report is accurate. But this is what makes our jobs difficult. One user sees one behaviour, while another sees a radically different behavior. Maybe there is a difference in hardware. Maybe this has to do with the type of media used or number of files on the server. I don't know. We did not test the server with large amounts of media and file formats like FLAC. So that's what we'll investigate next. As always, I'll post these results as soon as I get them.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by audiokaas » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:46 pm

Let me start out with complimenting you once again with your excellent follow-up on problems.

Unfortunately, the Berlin office is the only user I know that has no problems.
All users that tried the readynas/super-pousin releases on th readynas forum as well as all the users who tried the officious releases of twonky 5 have had no luck what so ever. The last version that worked at all was 5 beta 1 in may 2008. none of the releases since have worked for users I know of. Even allowing for the fact that the succesful installs won't complain it's remarkable that not one has come forward and said they had a succesfull install.

Nevertheless I do hope that you succeed in getting a stable release out, we'll keep trying and telling you if it works or not.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.x updates for NAS devices

Post by Briain » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:46 pm

Hi Rick

To back up what audiokaas says above, thanks for looking into this so quickly!! It's great that Berlin got it to go, and as I said in the email, a second opinion was definitely required. When they 'removed' it from frontview, did they check to see if the actual files had been removed from the NAS?

That the scan in I-Pod like mode saw albums appearing but lost the lot after completing the scan (it showed no music at all) and given the findings in the above paragraph, I wonder if there's something up with Twonky's database (in relation to FLAC paths it sends to the browser and over UPnP) and this is why it's maybe rescanning whenever I restart the server?

Update: I suspect that they haven't checked it with more than a few albums. I've written the results of my findings as the library is increased and this has turned up a few interesting findings. It would be worth forwrding these to the support team as some might even be generic to TMS5; probably (and hopefully) not, but it would certainly be worth checking!

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TMS5 (ReadyNAS version) testing and results:

Post by Briain » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:18 pm

HI

I'm getting somewhere interesting with this and have found a few issues with it. I’ve listed tonights testing as it progresses to give a more accurate audit trail of where things start to go wrong. Although long, I hope this post will assist the development team in checking my results and hopefully addressing any issues they can replicate in the factory. The basic issue is that it appears to start going wrong when used with more than a small-sized FLAC library, which is maybe why it hasn't been detected at the commissioning stages. I wonder if these are exclusive to the ReadyNAS version or more generic? Note tha all these problems are solved by replacing TMS5 by TMS4.4.11 on the same test NAS.

Details of the music library and TMS5 settings
For background, please note that I have spent many weeks retagging all my tracks so they are all to a top standard and show identically on TMS4, SqueezeCenter and Sonos (I have all three systems running from the same FLAC library). The library comprises just fewer than 14,500 FLAC tracks and I've also used Mp3tag (modified with custom fields like albumartist; link on how at bottom of this post) to export all tag info into a CSV and then into MS Access database; I can thus verify referential integrity of my tag formatting and quickly find info to compare with what can be seen on a UPnP control point. All art is in tht form Folder.jpg and comprises 160x160 pixel images (ideal for TMS4). The 14500 FLAC tracks are 1088 albums but all doubles have been combined into a single album to keep the count down due to the TMS4 artwork issues (ie Pink Floyd - The Wall is retagged as a single album with 26 tracks).

In all cases below, the Rescan time has been set to 0 and I’m using the I-Pod view option.

First I pointed the (sharing) path to a few single artist albums only:
With only 22 albums, it now works well in the three basic music tree modes. It also doesn't appear to rescan whenever you restart the server (hard to tell with only 22 albums) so it looks like my theory about the faulty database both causing the problems and initiating rescans might not be too far from the truth!

I then tried 203 albums and it still works but (still in I-Pod mode) shows 'Album' twice in both the TM browser and on the Linn UPnP GUI. On the Linn GUI version with art (Linn Kinsky Desktop) it shows all 203 covers and I think they build slightly quicker compared to TMS4. Again, it's not rebuilding the database upon server restart which is good.

324 Albums and all's well but that's a lot of art to load on the UPnP control point (which is why we like the ABC=1 in the music tree). I think this quantity of art (or more) might cause issues on slower control devices (PDA's, iPhones etc) and thus the ABC=X might be essential for these devices (see TMS4 tree at end for examples of this).

Cidero is now working too. If it's rescanning, Cidero still generates the error I mentioned but it works fine after the TMS has finished the scan. I'll also keep an eye on this as I grow the library.

I then completely changed (sharing) path to now point at compilation albums only:
Having selected a database rebuild, it now shows the compilations but hasn't removed the 324 from the original list (they can also still be played) so that's something for support to look at: either it's not forgetting the previous sharing path, or the rebuild isn't deleting what exists in the database; it just adds new stuff. Tried restarting server and then rebuilding but they're all still there.

Frontview test:
Just accessed Frontview OK but when selecting shutdown and restart, nothing happens! The NAS isn't busy scanning (it's just sitting idle) but it's not accepting restart commands from Frontview. Tried downloading the NAS logs From frontview and instead of offering the option to save the log zip-file, the browser now shows a page with the following text: <payload>Empty No Support</payload>

Manual shutdown and restart:
NAS has booted up and TMS is rescanning the database again. Unable to access Twonky home page or Frontview at the moment (but it's still scanning so that's understandible). I've now opened a bottle of beer; hic, belch! :) Frontview working again (including logs and shutdown facility) so that's very good! That said, it's started another rescan after the reboot though so that isn't so good. It's finished and I can now access both Frontview and TMS homepage okay. All albums from the deleted sharing path are still there though. Cidero is now working again too!

Changed (sharing) path to now point to all albums on the NAS:
Did above, restarted server and initiated a database rebuild which will take a while. The first five times I installed TMS5, it only showed 3 music tracks (server status) but it's now stopped and is showing 20,648; I've got less than 14,500 so that's incorrect!

Now that it's finished the full 14,500 track scan, I have observed the following issues:


In the Twonky web browser
Under albums, most show no tracks (but a very few do show tracks)
The all tracks list shows a count of 20,648 on the TM web browser but they only go from A~I then stop.
Track count is about 35% higher than reality (tracks duplicated; some shown 3 or 4 times)

On a UPnP GUI
The 'All Tracks' list shows nothing
Some albums cause it to crashes (showing ‘no entry’ message)

On both the web and GUI
Albums are not listed alphabetically
Artists are not listed alphabetically
Often under 'Artist', there are no albums listed (I've 12 Pink floyd albums - none are listed under Pink Floyd)
The Artist/Album selection option has vanished.

Frontview:
Frontview restart and shut down facilities have broken again; NAS has to be restarted using the front switch.

Incidental
Internet radio list is completely missing from web and UPnP controller; I haven't investigated this though.

Conclusion (key issues):
1. With only a few albums, say 300 or so, TMS5 works very well indeed.
2. Changing the share path and rebuilding the database doesn’t remove existing entries
3. Somewhere between 300 and 600 albums and the database rebuilds whenever you restart the server or reboot the NAS.
4. Also at this point, something seems to have impacted on ReadyNAS frontview (maybe the NAS web server interface is being corrupted) but a manual reboot seems to fix it.
5. With the full collection, the database seems to get badly corrupted and TMS web browser shows incorrect info (as well as the links to most of the tracks being broken). The UPnP links to the tracks no longer work (All tracks selection is empty).
6 The track list contains duplicates (sometimes 3 or 4 of the same entry)
7. The album count seems too high (1670 where it should be 1088)
8. The Albums are no longer alphabetically sorted
9. Frontview is misbehaving and a reboot might fix it but the rescan (which starts automatically) breaks it again unless you kill the Twonky process quickly after boot (see 'removal process' below).

Additional points
1. Albumartist tag is urgently required or artist list becomes too big due to compilations (mine's gone from 509 to 5110 which makes it very hard to find artist/album compared to albumartist/album)
2. Music tree ABC=1 requires enabled or selecting ‘Album’ will try to load all art to UPnP control point. (I got it to show 350, I then added more and it only loaded the first 4 with art. This could be the control point which has never been tested in this way)
3. Unlike SqueezeCenter, TMS5 (like TMS4) does not yet recognise the disk spanning tag (disk 1 of 2) that said, maybe it does but has been masked by the other issues. This isn't a major issue and actually helps keep the disk count down in TMS4 (and thus not exceed the 100/container limit for art) but now that the limit has been increased, it would be nice to see this tag picked up in future.

Removal process:
After reboot, TMS5 started to scan again and thus prevents Frontview access. From SSH, I used ps aux to list the processes and used kill to stop the PID. I then used Frontview to remove Twonky and it disappeared from the list (and a pop-up message box claimed it had sucessfully been removed) . Again, Frontview's shutdown and reboot command doesn't work. Performed a manual shutdown (with the front switch) and then restarted the NAS. The 'removed' Twonky started rescanning as soon as the NAS had booted up so it's definitely still there and it's also still running!

To remove TMS5, I had to SSH and kill the PID again, then remove twonkymedia.conf and remove the twonkyvision directory. Frontview restart worked this time (interesting development; maybe it had removed something or maybe just because I killed the process early on) and all is now well again with my NAS.

Incidentally, fantastic to see that TMS5 recognises the Vorbis (FLAC) composer tags; that's a wonderful development, but as you can see from above, there are still a whole bunch of issues needing looked at. I hope this all helps in the development of the product and I'm looking forward to a version which does all 4.4.11 does but with composer tags!

Footnote - Tree requirements:
Attached is the music tree required to deal with large collections (these settings depend on tagging 'albumartist' with the artist for single artist albums as well as assigning compilations an albumartist. Without doing this, you will not see single artist albums under the albumartist tag; full details on how to tag (and adapt Mp3tag) are shown here. Set as below, this puts TMS4 way ahead of SqueezeCenter and Sonos in that the albumartist list links to whole albums but you can still list all artists under the artist list. With the TMS5 simplified tree, Sonos and SC are way ahead in being able to use albumartist to mask the compilation contributing artists (at the price of seeing the contributing artists).
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Note that the music node 8 title 'no art' is specific to TMS4 and the 100 art limit per container; for TMS5 this would be changed change from '3' to '-' to simply list all albums (hopefully TMS5 will stop trying to send art at over a few hundred albums but we need a bit more than TMS4's 100 limit). Also note that I'd remove one of the genre settings and use composer for TMS5.

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Post by Twonky_Rick » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:53 pm

Bri,

Thanks again for taking the time to do this. You've done an incredible job documenting this issue. I've forwarded on ALL of this info to our Berlin office. The first step is replicating your findings, which I'm hoping won't be a problem now. I'll post updates as I get them.

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Post by Briain » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:38 pm

Hi Rick

It was a long (but fun) task! I'm glad to help in any way I can; if I could get TMS5 to work, and have it with the music tree as per TMS4, it would easily be the best (and most navigable) FLAC media-server of all, so it's also in my own best interest to get it working well. :)

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Post by NiceLife » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:20 pm

Excuse a newbie butting in - I know a little bit about listening to music and nothing about software development and would like it to stay that way. Given the incredible instability of TMS5 read about here, why on earth are Twonky website selling TMS 5 for all its worth? I need to buy a licence for TMS 4.6 for what was installed by Linn with ReadyNAS for my Akurate DS setup, and I had to wait days for a workaround posted to me from Twonky, to spoof the purchase code for TMS5 in order to get a code to enable 4. whatever to work beyond 31 days. Does Lufthansa take a plane full of paying passengers up in the air to test if their new aircraft design is airworthy?

My Linn dealer tells me on no account should I touch TMS5 with a bargepole. Does Berlin know this is what their intermediaries are saying?

I don't doubt your sincerity as technical people, but someone please tell Twonky HQ to send its Marketing and Commercial head to go take six month sabbatical, and come back when there is something to sell? "Pay to beta" is commercial suicide.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by gauche » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:23 pm

Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but how on earth do I tell what version of the server is installed? The web interface doesn't seem to list it anywhere, which seems to me to be the obvious place to do so.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Twonky_Rick » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:56 pm

If you're running the PC version of TMS, point your browser to http://192.168.1.91:9000/config
At the top of the screen, you'll see a number like 5.0.55.

If you're running a NAS version of TMS and you didn't upgrade it to TM 5.0, there's a 99% chance that you're running TMS 4.4.x. Although I don't have a NAS to test, I'm sure someone here can tell you how to check the version number. It's possible you can use the same URL I list above to check.

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Post by ronto » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:06 am

Hi All,
I love TMS, i have version 4 installed and working perfectly in my HP Media Smart 2010 and streaming content to my Xbox 360. there has been some time I wanted to upgrade to version 5 but didn't decide myself until today. I got the correct distro for my system:
http://twonkyforum.com/unsupported/5.0. ... 090220.zip
I installed it over my previous version 4.4.11 and when started the server, everything worked fine, I logged to the config page and I just saw my old v4 key and the message the key was not valid. At that point I didn't care since I was just testdriving the newest version, I tried it for a while I updated my DB with all my content and everything worked fine. Then I decided it is good enough and bought the discounted upgrade, then when I go to the config page I type my new key and the server restarts and never comes up again.
Login to the NAS through telnet and make everything by hand and try to bring the server up and I see it coming up and then a series of errors about the image conversion lisence, and a recomendation to read the file: convert-readme on the cgi-bin directory whic by the way doesn't help a lot.
I stopped everything and tried from scratch and again when I don't type my key everything works fine, once I type it everything stops working.
Can anyone help me here?

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Post by catshout » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:04 pm

Does TMS 5.o also rund on BUFFALO Linkstation Mini? I didn't found it in the list.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Briain » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:02 pm

Hello

Please read the below before trying the current 5.0.55 release for the Netgear ReadyNAS Duo or NV+!!

I've tried TMS5.0.55 and have exchanged several emails with people at PV. They have suggested several tricks (which I have tried) but sadly these don't work with the ReadyNAS version. The problem with ReadyNAS TMS5.0.55 is that it locates its database and cache directories in the OS partition. This creates a folder of metafiles for every folder of media files it scans (and of course each will be 16kb due to the block size in a ReadyNAS). In addition to this, it also creates a huge quantity of other files in the /var/cache/twonkymedia/default.view directory.

I tried editing the twonkymedia.conf to point the cache to /c/cache and even tried adding the path to the default.ini file (and deleting twonkymedia.conf). When restarting TMS, it then created a new twonkymedia.conf file with the cache path corrected to /c/cache, but it still stubbornly refused to actually populate the /c/cache directory.

I scanned only a handful of albums and the /var/cache/twonkymedia/default.view directory ended up 500MB (and this is in addition to the metafiles). I then pointed the share path to an empty directory and rebuilt the database. It didn't remove any of the metafiles nor any of the files in default.view (so it looks like the cache can only ever go one way; and that way is up).

The Frontview facility to remove TMS still works fine (with the cache sized as above; only a few hundred albums). After scanning a few thousand, the OS partition was filled and Frontview couldn't remove Twonky (I deleted it using SSH).

Another issue is that it rescans every time you start the server, and whilst doing this, it hogs all the NAS resources, so it's difficult to stop it (it took me several attempts and many minutes before I could log in using SSH and kill all Twonky processes). There needs to be a way to stop this autorescan at every restart; it's pointless and renders the NAS inaccessable (for ages) every time you start it.

So to sum up, before trying 5.0.55 on a ReadyNAS, you first need to pre-configure a twonkymedia.conf (in /etc) with the share (media) path pointing to an empty folder (or TMS will simply scan at first boot and fill up the OS partition until it breaks). We then need to find a way to configure the twonky to relocate the cache to the main partition (probably something like /c/cache; you don't need to access it and having it there will save it backing up a couple of GB of cache files if you backup the entire media share).

Ideally we need a way to stop it rescanning at every server restart so the NAS isn't rendered inaccessible (for ages) at every restart. I’d say we also need a way to limit resource usage so that even when it is rebuilding the database, we have some processing power reserved to permit us to access the NAS (you can’t even connect a mapped drive or SSH into it when it’s scanning).

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Briain » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:49 pm

Hi

TMS5.0.55 for the ReadyNAS defaults the cache to /var/cache/twonkymedia which is on the OS partition in the NAS. This is fine, but with more than a few thousand files, it completely fills the OS partition and stops the NAS from functioning (as well as breaking the TMS database by not completing the scan).

Last night, I sent a PM to super-poussin (who builds all the cool ReadyNAS add-ons) and by this morning, he'd built 2 ReadyNAS versions of TMS 5.0.55 (one for the Duo/NV+ and the other for the ReadyNAS Pro) which address the above by now storing all the cache files (and database) in /c/webroot. Now that’s what you call a rapid response and why I like the ReadyNAS so much!

It works! The only thing to note is that the super-poussin one is classed as an addon and not a streaming service, so unless you remove TMS4 first, it will try to run both TMS4 and TMS5 (possibly even on the same port).

I tried it in iPod like (one of the three built in trees) and it now picks up the composer tags; fantastic! I then looked at ‘albums’ using Linn Products Kinsky Desktop (UPnP control point) and it loaded 1200 albums (all my doubles were combined into single albums to keep the count down for the TMS4 100/container art limit). This is great fun but takes ages (and would simply not work on their PDA version due to the limits of Windows Mobile). This can of course be sorted by customising the tree (as can the introduction of albumartist tag; they are both supported). Either that, or Linn would have to design Kinsky to only load up enough album covers to fill the display area (and maybe a page either side of it); sort of like how SlimDevices do it on the Duet. I don't know if the protocol exists to dynamically load just enough art for the selected part of a list though; it might not be possible. None of this is an issue though as you can alpha-group in TMS5 (using the custom tree xml files) as you did in TMS4 music tree ABC=X

So it’s a very big thumbs-up thus far and once I’ve sorted out some custom trees; I’ll move to this latest version.

NB After scanning my 15000 FLAC files, the cache now contains thousands of small files totalling 2.7GB; no wonder it caused problems when initially contained within the OS partition! 2.7GB seems a bit OTT, but as long as it all works, I can live with that! I’ve just pointed it to a folder of 241 FLAC files (so I can start my tree experiments and rebuild a much smaller database each time I make a change). It took a while to rebuild the database for the smaller collection and the cache dropped to just under 1GB (it was full of files in a directory called default.view.1236527125.old). I rebooted the NAS and this was still there but at least it’s not the full 2.7BG so hopefully TMS housekeeping will keep it tidy as various database rebuilds progress.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Twonky_Rick » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:49 am

This is great news Bri. Thanks for putting so much time into this.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Briain » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:40 am

Hi Rick

The setup file for the Netgear ReadyNAS NV+ or Duo is located here

The setup file for the ReadyNAS Pro is located here

TMS5 still seems to create a database in /var and also generates the below paths in the ini file:
cachedir=/var/twonkymedia/db/cache and dbdir=/var/twonkymedia/db

I've suggested that it'd be worth changing these in the twonkymedia-server-default.ini

It also shows paths for all media uploads set to /var directory (not that I use that feature but some might).

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Twonky_Rick » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:29 pm

I'll mention this to Christian. Thanks.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by mikle_01 » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:28 am

Don't know, if this post is right here....

All Xvid and some divX vidoes won't play on my Zyxel DMA-1000 streaming from my NAS Synology DS107+ after update from 4.4.11 to 5.0.55. They're shown grey and are not selectable... :evil:

Rescan seems to be working (insted of 5.0.46)

Even pot this here : http://www.twonkyforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... 669#p22669
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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Lelolo » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:35 pm

Same thing than the former writer, but I continue this post...
I have the same problem than the ReadyNas owners :
When indexing, the 5.x version of TMS create ( many and huge ) files in the primary ( system ) partition of the NAS ( Synology CS407 ).
Yesterday, an update of the firmware was available, and I try to install it.
Impossible, pop-up window saying that the file is corrupted.
Not at all, I had to modify the shared directories of medias, choose a very little one, and reindex TMS.
After that, enough place to install the firmware upgrade and the new functions...
And finally pointing again on the good directories of pictures, songs and videos, and rebuilding the base...
Not very usefull, and maybe simple to modify, no ?
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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by ematignon » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:54 am

Hi Lelolo,

I am facing an issue with the new Synology FW. I have install it and am now not able to re-instal Twonky.

I am very weak in Linux. Can you help me to go through the steps because apparently something is wrong in the auto-instal package.

Hereafter what I have already done :
I have already changed the name of the Public directory in the install.nas file from public to Public but it doesn't work.

Consequently, nas-installer can't be launched. I know that twonky autoinstal try at a point of time to copy everything from my PC to NAS but it doesn't work.

It is apparently due to the fact that twonky wants to copy nas-installer from 192.168.2.9:9000 (supposed to be my PC IP address). When I try to ping 192.168.2.9:9000 from my NAS, I have no answer.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Lelolo » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:47 pm

Hi,

I think th right name is public, not Public.
Linux is case sensitive.
Try rename first.
Then, is telnet actived on the Nas ?
It's needed.
After, I use the auto-installer for my Syno model, and it works...
I don't change anything in the install.nas file ; did you create the public folder on the nas, from the admin interface ?

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by ematignon » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:36 pm

Hi Lelolo,

Public is the name I have now on my root without having change anything.

I have tried to rename it to public but it still doesn't work.

Have you upgraded your syno to the latest version (2.1) released few days ago ?

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Lelolo » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:22 pm

Hi,

I saw your post on Syno forums.
Yes, I'am on 832 since the day of the release ( unfortunately ).
And I use 5.0.55 of twonky, unstead of 4.4.11 ; may be that's the difference ?
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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by ematignon » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:32 am

Whatever version I will install, it doesn't work. Maybe something goes wrong in hte SW update. Any way to re-install it ?

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by ematignon » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:10 pm

I have solved my issue as following :

1/ Re-instal the firmware :
2/ Connect via telnet then rename Public to public :
http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.ph ... _Telnet%3F
http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.ph ... ng_the_CLI
3/ Download Twonky 4.4.11. Twonky 5 is using more resources and not working as well as the 4.4.11 on my CS407e
http://www.twonkyforum.com/unsupported/4.4.11/
4/ Unzip Twonky 4.4.11 on the PC
5/ Connect to the NAS by ftp using the admin account credentials
6/ Via ftp, create a twonkyvision folder in the public folder
http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.ph ... TP_Service
7/ Copy via ftp all the content of the twonky folder in the twonkyvision folder
Have now 3 sub-directories :
public/twonkyvision/ressources
public/twonkyvision/plugins
public/twonkyvision/cgi-bin
8/ Launch nassetup.exe on your PC
9/ Connect to twonky server on your NAS through 192.168.x.x:9000

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Twonky_Rick » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:09 pm

Thank you for posting the solution to your problem so others can benefit from this. :)

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Lelolo » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:39 pm

Hem,

If you think that going to 4.4.11 when you bought 5.x is a solution...
The problem of the primary partition occupation need to be solved anyway.
I refuse to go back to 4.x, except if nothing works ( and then it's a lot worse for twonky representation I have ! :x )
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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by bump » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:12 pm

There definitly is a problem with the way the database is build (and managed) in version 5.0.55 of Twonky. Several users have reported this issue (see also http://www.twonkyforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6219). Version 5.0.55 can completely lockup your NAS if you have a large library or are somewhat low on system resources of your NAS. A combination of both those criteria will be a guaranteed success to NAS lockup 8)

Therefore the Tonwky folks here should do one of the following:

1.) fix this rather swiflty
2.) withdraw version 5 from sale until fixed and dont charge 40 bucks for a product that is no good
3.) put up a big red DANGER sticker on this piece of software that it will threaten the life of your NAS when you install it.

:twisted:

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by mgillespie » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:06 pm

bump wrote:There definitly is a problem with the way the database is build (and managed) in version 5.0.55 of Twonky. Several users have reported this issue (see also http://www.twonkyforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6219). Version 5.0.55 can completely lockup your NAS if you have a large library or are somewhat low on system resources of your NAS. A combination of both those criteria will be a guaranteed success to NAS lockup 8)

Therefore the Tonwky folks here should do one of the following:

1.) fix this rather swiflty
2.) withdraw version 5 from sale until fixed and dont charge 40 bucks for a product that is no good
3.) put up a big red DANGER sticker on this piece of software that it will threaten the life of your NAS when you install it.

:twisted:

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Perhaps that's why NAS is unsupported... Resources are very limited, and it seems to me that with large amounts of media, you either you get a large database on the filesystem OR a large memory footprint...

This is not a new thing with V5, it's always been the case.. Perhaps for the server to move forward, then it needs to leave NAS devices behind.
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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by bump » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:04 am

mgillespie wrote:Perhaps that's why NAS is unsupported... Resources are very limited, and it seems to me that with large amounts of media, you either you get a large database on the filesystem OR a large memory footprint...

This is not a new thing with V5, it's always been the case.. Perhaps for the server to move forward, then it needs to leave NAS devices behind.
I've got the same amount of media running perfectly well (and swiftly) on version 4.4.9. 4.4.9 did not create zillion of Twonky files clotting the NAS. Versiosn 5 does so. So something must be wrong. Or not?

I would happily stay with that verssion if it would support Composer Tag for FLAC files. But it doesnt. It's now with version 4.4.14 - and still doesnt support it.

On support for NAS: I cant quite figure out why PV does not see this as their main differentiation point (USP as the marketing folks would call it..) and focuses on getting NAS support right. Not for every machine on the market, but for some of the leading ones, which I believe would include a readyNAS NV+. There are now excellent alternatives coming up on the Windows platform and its highly likely (simply for the not-so-great support reputation of Twonky), that it will lose market share in this segment.

Therefore, for good business reasons it might make quite a bit of sense to give the NAS environment some more resource commitment and get one version out that finally works decently. I dont really care whether such version is called 4.4.15 or 5.0.70, really

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Twonky_Rick » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:08 pm

We are focused on getting NAS support right. But to do this we have to move forward and that means supporting the new products that are coming out. Which in most cases dramatically outperform the older NAS devices. I wish we had enough resources to support all of the legacy devices on the market, but unfortunately we don't.

As far as adding tags, I might be able to help you get tags added to TMS 5.0, but it's going to be hard to get Berlin to add new features to 4.4 at this point, since the focus is moving forward.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by bump » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:00 pm

Hi Rick,

thanks for the response and your commitment towards getting your product running well on the NAS environment. Fully appreciate that you want to focus resources on version 5.xx now. I am convinced it will work great once the database issue is sorted out.

All the best
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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by xbhsdx » Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:09 am

I ran into the database issue on my Linkstation Pro and resolved it by "relocating" my database to a larger partition. I know this probably isn't the best fix, but it worked for me!

I made a directory called var under /mnt/disk1/twonky and created a symbolic link to this directory from /var/twonky.

reinstalled twonky and everything "just worked".

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Twonky_Rick » Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:40 pm

Thank you for letting others know about this solution. Glad to hear you're up and running.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Lelolo » Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:34 pm

xbhsdx wrote:I ran into the database issue on my Linkstation Pro and resolved it by "relocating" my database to a larger partition. I know this probably isn't the best fix, but it worked for me!

I made a directory called var under /mnt/disk1/twonky and created a symbolic link to this directory from /var/twonky.

reinstalled twonky and everything "just worked".
I'm not strong enough in Linux to do this from myself...
Could you write the exact syntax for the symblic link from one rep to another ?
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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by dvanlinge » Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:02 pm

Does anyone know what version is installed on the HP Ex485 Home servers? how do I find the version number and registration number? which install would I use if I wanted to install 5.0.55 just to make sure it is up to date?

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by xbhsdx » Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:11 pm

I will try to outline how I did it, but I am at work right now and don't have my device in front of me to walk through these steps.. Off the top of my head it worked like this:

1) Uninstall twonky
This may or may not be necessary, but in case the database got corrupted, its easiest to just start fresh. If you want to back up your settings, save a copy of /var/twonkymedia/twonkymedia-server.ini somewhere else.

2) Create the new directory structure
On my setup, twonky is installed in /mnt/disk1/twonky. I created a directory under this called "var" and then a directory under this called "twonkymedia"
ex:
mkdir -p /mnt/disk1/twonky/var/twonkymedia

3) If it exists, remove the current twonkymedia directory from var
Its up to you, back it up.. move it.. I like fresh starts so I delete it. The point is that it needs to be gone for the next step.
ex:
rm -rf /mnt/disk1/twonkymedia

4) Create a symbolic link pointing to the new location
Again, my goal was to relocate /var/twonkymedia to my larger partition, your locations could be different...
ex:
ln -s /mnt/disk1/twonky/var/twonkymedia /var/twonkymedia


5) Install twonky back onto your NAS
This will create the new database and ini files in /var/twonkymedia which is now linked to /mnt/disk1/twonky/var/twonkymedia.


This was on a buffalo linkstation pro using the stock firmware with telnet enabled. I can't vouch for any other NAS devices as I haven't used them, but the concept is the same..

If anyone reading this can fix any issues in my steps, feel free.. again this is off the top of my head.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by Briain » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:16 am

Hi xbhsdx

This is what the chap from the Netgear forum did with his ReadyNAS addon (it locates it in /c/webroot and uses a symbolic link to point to it). It works really well and I've been using it for a while now. One thing I've noticed (posted elsewhere) is that the rescan time setting seems to remain at -1 (no matter what you set it to in the config) and that performing a database rebuild archives the existing one to a directory called something like default.view123456789.old (the number changes).

They're certainly not a 'show stoppers' (as I simply navigate into default.view and rm -R * everything before initiating the rebuild) but I'd be quite interested to hear if you have noticed either of these issues on your own setup. In other words, is the symbolic link somehow preventing the archived database from being deleted, or is it an issue with TMS Linux versions in general (it doesn't happen with the Windows version).

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by pointman » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:22 pm

Hi all.
Im a newbie to all this, and have only just found the forums.

Im running Twonky Media Server v4.4.6 30 day trial on a NAS drive & am looking to upgrade & buy a license.
Can anyone point me in the direction of the version 5.xx upgrade file for the Icybox IB-NAS4224-IB NAS drive please.

Many thanks.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by mikle_01 » Tue May 19, 2009 7:08 am

Hi,

will there even develope and approve the 5.0.61 for NAS!? I'am still locking daily for that build, because
- the newer Terratec Noxon FW >6300 are now supported (now in the win versions)
- Navigation treee will be (as in 5.0.61 win version) fully completely customizable.

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Re: Where to find TMS 5.0 updates (incl. TMS for NAS devices)

Post by mgillespie » Tue May 19, 2009 7:45 pm

mikle_01 wrote:Hi,

will there even develope and approve the 5.0.61 for NAS!? I'am still locking daily for that build, because
- the newer Terratec Noxon FW >6300 are now supported (now in the win versions)
- Navigation treee will be (as in 5.0.61 win version) fully completely customizable.

- Michael
There are some 5.0.65 NAS builds here: http://www.twonkyforum.com/unsupported/5.0.65/
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